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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2005/09/21/microsoft-is-going-to-reorg/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry,
Nope - I don&#39;t know much about Vista that isn&#39;t public knowledge.  The fact is that its ship date has slipped multiple *years* while also getting major features such as WinFS dropped from the feature list.  You need to combine that with the fact that there is a fundamental shift from the OS as a platform to the web as a platform going on.  That&#39;s a shift that Microsoft has been very late in acknowledging, much like they were very late in acknowledging the Internet and its importance.
     Now, don&#39;t take this to mean that Microsoft won&#39;t persist.  They have a pile of cash, huge market share and some really smart people.  They aren&#39;t going anywhere in the near future.  The reality though is that when a new OS comes out, people *do not* forget the old.  You need look no further than Windows XP, which didn&#39;t get anywhere near the adoption that Microsoft hoped it would (and that product is years old now).  So, they may not completely shift focus away from the OS (which I don&#39;t think I implied), but I do think they&#39;ll shift how that OS is delivered.
--jeremy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,<br />
Nope - I don&#39;t know much about Vista that isn&#39;t public knowledge.  The fact is that its ship date has slipped multiple *years* while also getting major features such as WinFS dropped from the feature list.  You need to combine that with the fact that there is a fundamental shift from the OS as a platform to the web as a platform going on.  That&#39;s a shift that Microsoft has been very late in acknowledging, much like they were very late in acknowledging the Internet and its importance.<br />
     Now, don&#39;t take this to mean that Microsoft won&#39;t persist.  They have a pile of cash, huge market share and some really smart people.  They aren&#39;t going anywhere in the near future.  The reality though is that when a new OS comes out, people *do not* forget the old.  You need look no further than Windows XP, which didn&#39;t get anywhere near the adoption that Microsoft hoped it would (and that product is years old now).  So, they may not completely shift focus away from the OS (which I don&#39;t think I implied), but I do think they&#39;ll shift how that OS is delivered.<br />
&#8211;jeremy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a real point.  I don&#39;t think that Jeremy ignored that in his post, though.  It seems that he was aknowledging Microsoft&#39;s predatory market practices.  Remember that Sun worked this way not too ling ago too, but they&#39;ve reassessed their position so that they can continue to be strong.
I think that Microsoft will continue to strive for market dominance, but whether or not they keep it, is up to how they continue to do business.  Controlling the communication methods and market is where the propagation is and Google and Yahoo! are definitely barrelling along full steam ahead to get their piece of this "market".  Remember that these services are either free or cheaper than what&#39;s being used now.
Yes, the OS is important, but so are the productivity apps.  When big Microsoft Office/Exchange users like the government of Massachusetts switch to OpenOffice.org, then Microsoft has to think about how they&#39;re going to continue to keep making money, as Office has been the real moneymaker for Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a real point.  I don&#39;t think that Jeremy ignored that in his post, though.  It seems that he was aknowledging Microsoft&#39;s predatory market practices.  Remember that Sun worked this way not too ling ago too, but they&#39;ve reassessed their position so that they can continue to be strong.<br />
I think that Microsoft will continue to strive for market dominance, but whether or not they keep it, is up to how they continue to do business.  Controlling the communication methods and market is where the propagation is and Google and Yahoo! are definitely barrelling along full steam ahead to get their piece of this &#8220;market&#8221;.  Remember that these services are either free or cheaper than what&#39;s being used now.<br />
Yes, the OS is important, but so are the productivity apps.  When big Microsoft Office/Exchange users like the government of Massachusetts switch to OpenOffice.org, then Microsoft has to think about how they&#39;re going to continue to keep making money, as Office has been the real moneymaker for Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are sounding very confident these day, Jeremy.  Is there something you know about Microsoft Vista that you aren&#39;t telling?  
As for Microsoft&#39;s strategy, I take a more historical viewpoint.  So long as Bill Jr. is in charge it will continue to reflect the attitudes of its leader.  He is an intensely competitive person, and believes that when you lose a sale you lose it twice:  once, to yourself, and again when your competitor gets it instead of you.  With this in mind, Microsoft is likely to persist - they are good at that - that&#39;s their mentality.  Since their early times in Albequerque, that has been the preoccupation of Gates, to set the standard for the industry.  
Remember back 15 or 20 years ago when Apple was doing so well?  Then Microsoft got them in their sites and the rest is history.  It took them nearly five years (Windows 1.0 and 2.0 were flops) but they finally got a product that set the OS standard. I don&#39;t see that much has changed, though the products have become so much better now.
Like it or not, software is intensely competitive.  And like it or not, when a new product comes out, people forget the old. I do wish that Linux and Windows could coexist side by side - like on my computer, but I&#39;m much too old and cynical to believe that. I don&#39;t believe for a moment that Microsoft will shift away from its primary focus, the operating system.  And as optimistic as things look right now for Linux, you can bet Microsoft will keep on trying to uproot it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are sounding very confident these day, Jeremy.  Is there something you know about Microsoft Vista that you aren&#39;t telling?<br />
As for Microsoft&#39;s strategy, I take a more historical viewpoint.  So long as Bill Jr. is in charge it will continue to reflect the attitudes of its leader.  He is an intensely competitive person, and believes that when you lose a sale you lose it twice:  once, to yourself, and again when your competitor gets it instead of you.  With this in mind, Microsoft is likely to persist - they are good at that - that&#39;s their mentality.  Since their early times in Albequerque, that has been the preoccupation of Gates, to set the standard for the industry.<br />
Remember back 15 or 20 years ago when Apple was doing so well?  Then Microsoft got them in their sites and the rest is history.  It took them nearly five years (Windows 1.0 and 2.0 were flops) but they finally got a product that set the OS standard. I don&#39;t see that much has changed, though the products have become so much better now.<br />
Like it or not, software is intensely competitive.  And like it or not, when a new product comes out, people forget the old. I do wish that Linux and Windows could coexist side by side - like on my computer, but I&#39;m much too old and cynical to believe that. I don&#39;t believe for a moment that Microsoft will shift away from its primary focus, the operating system.  And as optimistic as things look right now for Linux, you can bet Microsoft will keep on trying to uproot it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Corey - much appreciated.  An up and coming Microsofter on LQ Radio isn&#39;t a bad idea, I&#39;ll definitely keep it in mind.
--jeremy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Corey - much appreciated.  An up and coming Microsofter on LQ Radio isn&#39;t a bad idea, I&#39;ll definitely keep it in mind.<br />
&#8211;jeremy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can one argue with that? Once again, you write something inspired and full of reason.  Its thoughts like these that are the foundation of why your idea of a linux community has flowered and bloomed in your site.  Don&#39;t stop.
Hey, maybe you can get an interview with one of the up and comers at Microsoft...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can one argue with that? Once again, you write something inspired and full of reason.  Its thoughts like these that are the foundation of why your idea of a linux community has flowered and bloomed in your site.  Don&#39;t stop.<br />
Hey, maybe you can get an interview with one of the up and comers at Microsoft&#8230;</p>
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